From The Third Book: Lines 31-32
of Meyer's Zettel:
Pay heed to Indes, understand me
rightly, hit him before he adopts his posture.
Master Meyer explains further:
“...when you are in the Zufechten,
and he acts as if he will adopt a posture, then do no let him be in
peace or come to it, but always attack first; and as he is choosing a
posture, lay on at once to the nearest opening, and act as if you
intended to cut strongly; but let it fehlen, or Verfliegen, and
attack to another opening; then as soon as you have come halfway in
or onto his sword with your blade, then do not be idle, but deliver a
Zwirchhau, or Umbschlagen, or Ausreißen, or Schnitt, or Winden, or
do whatever work may most properly come to hand for you.” - Meyer
(1570) “Grundtliche Beschreibung der Kunst des Fechtens”, 1.45v –
1.46r
“Many have believed that the word
Indes has its origin from the Latin word intus, and indicates the
inside combat, which arises from the windings and similar work; but
you will hear now that this is not true. I leave the meaning of the
word intus to the Latinists, but the word Indes is a good German
word, and embodies a serious exhortation to quick judgment, so that
one should be constantly swift of mind.” - Meyer (1570)
“Grundtliche Beschreibung der Kunst des Fechtens”, 1.25r
“Thus you should respond Indes
quickly with convenient work, with this, you are strongest on his
Stücken, when you lay on with your work in the Vor, and in this you
are crowded so that you must displace him after, thus is a constant
changing with the Vor and Nach, now you have it, then he does, But he
who does not pay attention to it, he will nonetheless never learn to
fence.” - Meyer (1560) MS A.4o.2, 1.6r
The Simultaneously is when both you and
your opponent execute your cuts at the same time, which is also
signified by the word Indes.” - Meyer (1570) “Grundtliche
Beschreibung der Kunst des Fechtens”, 1.24v
More on Indes from the German tradition
of with Ringeck:
“You shall learn and understand both
the word "Fühlen" and the word "Indes", because
these two belong together and together they account for the greatest
art and skill in fencing.”
"Indes" is a sharp word,
which cuts all fencers, that don't know anything about it. Moreover,
"Indes is the key, which unlocks the Art of fencing”
“This is a difficult time to describe
and from what I understand even the translation does not do it
justice, because its meaning is quite a bit deeper than the simple
English translation of Just As. Indes describes the time of the
moment of decision. It is often used to gain back the initiative from
an opponent who has gained the Vor.
A bit from Mike:
“It is done in the moment as you move
or strike or even sometimes defend. It can be likened to the concept
of double time where Vor, Nach and Abzug represent single time. “
- Cartier (2005) “The Art and Practice of Longsword Combat
according to Joachim Meyer, Free Fencer” pg 20